Michael is joined by Peter Jennings, executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) and a former deputy secretary for strategy in the Department of Defence, regarding tensions that have flared between Australia & New Zealand over how to handle China.

New Zealand’s Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta said early this week that the Five Eyes group should focus solely on intelligence sharing while Beijing responded furiously to previous joint Five Eyes statements criticising China.

The Five Eyes (FVEY), the intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, formed in 1941 are parties to the multilateral UKUSA Agreement, a treaty for joint cooperation in signals intelligence.

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